Man, I have always been told that politics and religion are not to be discussed in the workplace. But we all slip up sometimes, and "hint" towards a view leaning one way or the other. The other day I heard someone complaining to his manager in an adjacent cubicle about his California "Proposition 8 " signs being stolen from his yard, and he wanted to confront the organization that he viewed was at the heart of why his signs were being removed from his yard. CONFRONTATIONAL.
So I went over and started to voice my opinion on how wrong I thought it was for anyone to take someones signs, no matter what their stance. Come to find out that he had a different stance on the proposition than I, and he said "Yes, I KNOW you xxxxx proposition 8, and looked down at me with an accusatory ? eye, deep, stern voice, like I was wrong for seeing it that way.
Anyone get into politics at work much?

Killface
Mon, 11/03/2008 - 8:05pmI did a fair bit at my last Heinz project, but then I was working with temps and college interns, who didn't give a fuck whether they were referred to HR. A few permanent employees would discuss things openly, but only after they were sure I wasn't too touchy.
I think for the Facebook generation, where you wear emotions/views on a public sleeve, it's less sensitive than for older generations. The trick is not crossing lines, or respecting boundaries when in an open office space.
/I think.
Beth
Mon, 11/03/2008 - 8:21pmWe do all the time, but we're mostly either pretty liberal or a bunch of cynics who enjoy arguing. We also have less than 15 people in my office. We do a lot of driving to work sites, and really politics are a good way to waste some time. Religion is trickier though, and I tread that ground a bit more gently. I still have little shame however, as I can't avoid talking about my family sometimes without referencing my split with their "values."
Ariwyn
Mon, 11/03/2008 - 9:28pmour political signs got stolen out of our yard too =(
Mike
Mon, 11/03/2008 - 9:50pmI don't see the point of stealing signs during election season, what could one possibly do with them?
Demonskin
Mon, 11/03/2008 - 10:21pmI think the touchiest point is when talking w/ the people who work for you and/or who you work for. Depending on people's positions it can plant the seeds for people feeling they were treated unfairly because of their beliefs, which with the wrong combination of beliefs and people can get very ugly, possibly ending up involving attorneys.
15
Mon, 11/03/2008 - 10:33pmHaha. You shouldn't start threads like this on these forums.
Brian
Tue, 11/04/2008 - 12:41amMy signs got stolen as well =(. I shouldn't be surprised people have stolen potted plants and halloween decorations from the yard as well.
Texas is infamous for being a red state so I tend to stay away from anything that revolves around politics or religion. When I was living in San Diego we talked about it pretty freely without much care in the world. Then again SD residents have a very similar liberal mindset I grew up with.
yori
Tue, 11/04/2008 - 9:35amdocjones
Tue, 11/04/2008 - 11:07amIts a touchy subject and very hard to discuss without getting overly emotional. Especially if you disagree with the other person. It tends to be a very personal choice and people tend to be very defensive when told their view is wrong or at least different from yours.
That One
Tue, 11/04/2008 - 11:15amAt work we have a politics alias that can get pretty heady sometimes, but it's about as respectful as you can expect. It's sorta fun to watch. But a lot of times politics does get into religion, well, actually it's been religion trying to force its way into politcs of late. Religion is actually pretty taboo, so the politics mail alias tiptoes around those sort of issues. Still plenty to talk about.
Faalon
Tue, 11/04/2008 - 11:23amIt does say "Pretty much anything goes" =P
Rambles Everroot
Tue, 11/04/2008 - 11:47amRelgion: best discussed w/ open-minded or like minded people, stay away from ppl who take offense easily
-Also kinda strange (it seems) religion is more of a private matter in Europe, but a generally question one would ask another person in the US--many new ppl I meet at my campus are really into Christianity and it can be awkward discussing it with some of those people,
Politics- so 2 summers ago we had a ton of chalk messages saying "Google Ron Paul" then later progressing into"vote" but nothing really political is being written currently. It's interesting to discuss politics with people, but those that think Obama is a terrorist are ones i'm gonna stay away from (and i don't know too much about McCain except some stuff about his personal life, but either way his views differ from mine, and his economic plans don't seem to be too good for helping the US stay outta the gutter--although I have yet to learn of who he would choose to be his economic advisor)
anyway Politics seems to be a mroe suitable thing to discuss, but the main downside with both tops is that they usually don;t change the viewpoint of the other person or self, and can have the effect of jsut polarizing the conversation. So just find an open minded person to discuss things with and stay away from those who have narrow vision
Rambles Everroot
Tue, 11/04/2008 - 11:47amAlso...I think I may have caused a derailment or two within that single post >.<
Qyn
Tue, 11/04/2008 - 1:21pmHey everyone, fuck you!
<3
Chenara
Wed, 11/05/2008 - 3:09amdocjones, you said it. Tonight, after the election, the whole topic of same sex marriage got discussed in length in guild chat. I believe I made several enemies because of personal belief, and failed at conveying what you and others in this thread said. Its personal "belief". Be it based on religion, education, life experience, all of the above, it is one individuals view of the way something should be.
No more politics in g chat for me.
That One
Wed, 11/05/2008 - 4:08amPersonal beliefs are fine... as long as they aren't used to justify taking away another person's rights who may not share your beliefs. I don't think you gained enemies, but there was frustration that this basic idea was not acknowledged. Anyway, no hard feelings.
Qyn
Wed, 11/05/2008 - 7:28amI missed the discussion b/c sleeping, however I'd like to hope that you didn't make enemies in Ama simply from argument or disagreement of views. That kind of stuff seems to happen a lot around here since we're such a vocal and opinionated group of individuals and it rarely seems to result in permanent ill will towards each other. Though if that is the case you could certainly make use of our guild Mediator and hopefully work out any further hostilities.
Vasya
Wed, 11/05/2008 - 8:30amI've said it in another thread, but I think this is appropriate here as well - barring any outright violent statements("we should kill all the gays!", "all religious people are scum!"), I think most everyone in the guild is mature enough to be able to disagree with one another without liking them less as a person. Conversely, if someone disagrees with you, it doesn't mean that they hate you, even if the argument gets heated.
My uncle is visiting us in the US right now. He's a Russian Orthodox priest, which often puts him in direct disagreement with me over a lot of things, but I love him because he's a good guy with a kind heart. Disagreements are just something that helps me pass the time :).
Beth
Wed, 11/05/2008 - 9:56amEchoing Vasya, my parents and my mom's side of the family are staunch Southern Baptists. We don't agree on much politics-wise, but I don't love them any less.
Honestly, talking politics at work isn't a problem, but man talking any politics when I go home to Maryland is to be avoided. A lot of it is, having them all "disappointed" in me for my beliefs, and "where did we go wrong in raising you" guilt, not so much the actual disagreeing part.
That One
Wed, 11/05/2008 - 10:13amWait that's me. Seriously Chenara... I don't think anyone hates you for having different beliefs or considers you their mortal enemy, everyone seemed on board with the idea of religious freedom. I'm sorry if you felt persecuted, but Ama likes a good discussion, and just because people didn't agree with you and pursued the debate doesn't mean they don't still respect you.
Faalon
Wed, 11/05/2008 - 10:13amExactly, I agree with Beth and Vas, and I happened to be part of the discussion. There were no enemies made, just differing opinions. We're all adult enough to know that granted, we may all see one topic with 10 different points of view, it doesnt make any of them right or wrong and it certainly doesn' need to go towards the enemy/anger idea. We all have our own personal beliefs, and should be able to be calm enough to discuss topics with eachother with a mixture of our own opinions as well as being open to the idea that others have something that may be very different, instead of cutting another person down because of them. I will no longer talk about such things in guild, I will confine myself to talking about Carl, my pet ghost haunt and how good my gear looks on my pally. =P
Vasya
Wed, 11/05/2008 - 10:18amThis doesn't stop me, of course, from hating you, Faalon.
That One
Wed, 11/05/2008 - 10:48amEveryone hates you Vas.
Demonskin
Wed, 11/05/2008 - 10:51amVasya
Wed, 11/05/2008 - 11:04amThat dog is sensitive to sunlight, you insensitive bastard.
Faalon
Wed, 11/05/2008 - 11:17amYou only hate me because my pally is prettier than yours. And I can beat you in a fist fight. Don't worry, I'll bring tissues next time.
Vasya
Wed, 11/05/2008 - 11:30amWhatever, son. Stoneform for the win!
Brian
Wed, 11/05/2008 - 12:50pmOnly thing Draenei's are good for are eye candy and free HK's. =)
Rambles Everroot
Wed, 11/05/2008 - 2:05pmditto! :s that would have been an interesting argument to have seen(hmm, more specifically--read?) or participated in (minus the feeling of hate, or such, that was received)
Chenara
Wed, 11/05/2008 - 3:42pmThe whole conversation sure did provide for an exciting evening. I think I will bring up some other proposition tonight to be talked about.
NOT!
:)
Vasya
Wed, 11/05/2008 - 3:58pmProposition 2 in Michigan state: go!
Timmeh
Wed, 11/05/2008 - 8:59pmhttp://www.yesonprop2.com/templates/yesonprop2/images/image9.jpg
Vasya
Wed, 11/05/2008 - 9:15pmD'AWWWW
Fazil
Fri, 11/07/2008 - 1:08amChenara, I don't think that discussion ended badly, and we seemed to end on a concilatory note, and we mostly made sense of each other's viewpoints. I definitely don't hate you. :)
Brian
Fri, 11/07/2008 - 4:10pmLegalize Mary Jane for Medical Use?
Faalon
Fri, 11/07/2008 - 4:22pmI agree with Fazil, we all just agree to disagree, which is what happens when people with strong opinions have a discussion and they disagree. I for sure don't have any problem at all, let alone hate you! We just know which topics not to go head to head about anymore <3
Killface
Fri, 11/07/2008 - 4:29pmMI Prop. 2 was stem cells, I think, though they also passed med. marijuana.
Actually Reason had a piece today about the bioethics issues this year, and the resounding defeat of Luddites: http://www.reason.com/blog/show/129983.html
Steelwart
Mon, 11/24/2008 - 10:11pm[serious font]
I live in China. I'm not ALLOWED to discuss politics or religion, not even on innocent WoW guild forums.
If I disappear you'll know why.